4/5/12

John Hammer: "Greensboro's World War I Memorial Stadium" WTF?

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One of the stadium's notable features is an ornate, triple-arched entrance,
which made a cameo appearance during the "road trip" segment
of the 1988 movie Bull Durham.


"World War Memorial Stadium
– the old baseball stadium where the Greensboro Bats,
Greensboro Hornets, Greensboro Yankees and Greensboro Patriots all played
– was placed on the agenda without any prior discussion by the Perkins council.

By whom?

Did Robbie put the issue on the table without conferring?

Perkins lobbied hard to get a vote to tear it down,
but in the end a motion by Council member Trudy Wade to delay any action for 60 days
until further study could be completed passed on a 7-to-2 vote,
with Perkins and Councilmember Dianne Bellamy-Small voting against the motion.

Isn't this the same tactic Mr. Perkins used
when he tried to destroy some downtown businesses
he wasn't making any money from
the first go round with the noise ordinance?

...Perkins wanted to go ahead and take action to "renovate" the stadium,
so it was not postponed; and before the meeting
it looked like Perkins had the votes to tear the stadium down.

It was a cheap shot by Perkins.

There was no warning that this extremely controversial topic
was going to be on the agenda.

Who put it on the agenda?

If Robbie snuck the Noise Ordiance on the agenda
why wouldn't he do the same thing only different
with this?

...The information about the issue in the agenda packet was extremely misleading
because it was all about renovation.

...This so-called renovation project would have entailed tearing down everything
except the archways out front,
while inside the stadium not a single brick would have been left.

David Hoggard, who lives in the Aycock Historic Neighborhood,
...noted that what the city was discussing
was whether or not to demolish War Memorial Stadium.

He said, "Please don't call this renovation."

Hoggard said there is a term for what the city has done with the stadium
and that is "demolition by neglect." Hoggard said,

...[David] Wharton finally said that he was discouraged about the item,
which he described as the "eminent diminishment of this historic resource."

He noted that it is the oldest functioning athletic stadium in the state.

The "oldest functioning athletic stadium in the state."

Who wouldn't want to play a championship softball game
where Derek Jeter played?

Who wouldn't want to play a big game
at the oldest ballpark in North Carolina?

Could be a great place to play baseball and softball.

Weekend tournaments could have their final games there.

Opening days for Greensboro City Leagues

Charity Events

...Perkins was insistent that the council vote to demolish the stadium
and vote to demolish it at that meeting.

I still have a Bats bat somewhere.

My kids have a bunch of stuff.

...It is called World War Memorial Stadium
because when it was built in 1927 there had only been one world war.

I threw my back out there once.

...Perkins asked what the purpose of the second opinion would be.

My kids got their shirts autographed
and got to meet Crash Craddock.

He said, "We are not going to seat 7,000 people there ever again."

The stadium also received many seats from Philadelphia's old Shibe Park
after Shibe's demolition

Wiki

When asked a question, Kennerly responded, "Anything can be repaired."

Matheny noted that the council had not discussed the matter in three years
and was being asked to make a decision that night.

"the Patriots (later renamed the "Hornets" and then the "Bats")
along with the college teams..."

How many cool people have played there?

Councilmember Nancy Vaughan ...said,
"I do recall listening to the meetings that it wasn't an either-or,
that if we did build the new baseball stadium
that the old baseball stadium wasn't going to crumble into disrepair."

...Perkins said, "This stadium is in my opinion beyond repair."

Beverages several I have had there.

Perkins said that once professional baseball left War Memorial Stadium
that the crowds left and there was no need for it.

...Instead of spending $1.5 million to tear down the stadium
the city could spend $1.5 million to stabilize what is there
and see what use the creative minds of this city can come up with
for a historic 7,000 seat stadium."

John Hammer

Why not make it the size of a softball field,
put condos overlooking in Center field with a bar/restaurant somewheret
and have whoever play when ever.

Why not have a professional women's fast pitch softball team?

Pay for it with the Economic Development money Roy wants.

Let Greensboro's school kids get shares of the team
for good grades and behavior.

Most would think businesses looking to relocate or expand
would be interested in a city that would do something like that
for its kids.

It would fill the seats too.

14 comments:

g said...

http://preservationgreensboro.typepad.com/weblog/2012/04/war-memorial-stadium-the-final-chapter.html

g said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensboro_Grasshoppers#History

g said...

http://ballparksonline.com/A/SAL/Greensboro/Greensboro1.html

g said...

My kids ran the bases there.

"the Patriots continued to play at Cone Park until 1930, when the addition of lights and other improvements to the Stadium, spurred by the affiliation with the Cardinals, resulted in the team moving to the Stadium. The various Greensboro clubs would call the Stadium "home" for the next 75 years.

After the Cardinals contract expired, the franchise transferred to Asheville Tourists in 1935. Five years later, minor league ball returned to Greensboro for a couple of years, with another Piedmont League entry called the Greensboro Red Sox, which played during 1941-1942.

After the Piedmont League years, another Greensboro team operated in the Carolina League during 1945-1968. The club was known variously as the Patriots (1945–1951), the Greensboro Pirates (1952–1954), the Patriots again (1955–1957), the Greensboro Yankees (1958–67), and the Patriots once again (1968). Following the 1968 season, Greensboro dropped out of professional ball for the next ten years, during a time when minor league baseball had lost popularity. That situation would start to change for the better in the late 1970s, and Greensboro would benefit from it.

The minors returned to Greensboro in 1979, with a new entry in the Western Carolinas League. The WCL renamed itself as the South Atlantic League the next year, reviving the name once used by the Southern League. Abandoning the old nickname of "Patriots", which by then was best known for the New England Patriots of the NFL, the new club instead decided to adopt the nickname Greensboro Hornets. That nickname was better known for teams based in Charlotte, but the Charlotte Hornets baseball team had abandoned its nickname after the 1973 season, and the new Greensboro team adopted it. Some naming rights complications arose when the Charlotte Hornets of the NBA began play in 1988. The nicknames co-existed in the state until 1994, when the Hornets settled with the NBA and changed their name to the punning nickname Greensboro Bats. Consequently, the team mascot switched from a hornet to a flying bat wielding a baseball bat.

With the move from 80-year-old War Memorial Stadium to the new park in 2005, the club further expanded its corporate face-lift by changing nicknames again, to the alliterative Greensboro Grasshoppers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensboro_Grasshoppers#History

g said...

Former Greensboro playersGreensboro alumni who had lengthy major league careers include:

Reggie Sanders, outfielder, Cincinnati Reds and others
Derek Jeter, shortstop, New York Yankees
Robinson Cano, second baseman, New York Yankees
Don Mattingly, first baseman, New York Yankees
Andy Pettitte, pitcher, New York Yankees, Houston Astros
Jorge Posada, catcher, New York Yankees
Mariano Rivera, relief pitcher, New York Yankees
Mike Pagliarulo, third baseman, New York Yankees
Curt Schilling, pitcher, Baltimore Orioles, Philadelphia Phillies, Arizona Diamondbacks, Boston Red Sox and others

g said...

Over the years the ballpark served as the home for the Greensboro Patriots (1930-1934) of the Piedmont League, the Greensboro Red Sox (1941-1942) of the Piedmont League), the Greensboro Patriots of the Carolina League (1945-1957, 1968), the Greensboro Yankees (1958-1967) of the Carolina League, the Greensboro Hornets (1979) of the Western Carolinas League, the Greensboro Hornets of the South Atlantic League (1980-1993), and the Greensboro Bats (1994-2004) of the South Atlantic League.

http://ballparkdigest.com/200901041219/minor-league-baseball/visits/war-memorial-stadium-greensboro-bats

g said...

More recently, the old stadium was the site of filming for the Leatherheads movie starring George Clooney (2008).

http://www.gsobaseball.com/memorial-stadium.html

It’s time to do something:CIty Council meets tonight and they will discuss Renovation/Demolition of War Memorial Stadium

http://www.greensborosports.com/2012/04/03/its-time-to-do-somethingcity-council-meets-tonight-and-they-will-discuss-renovationdemolition-of-war-memorial-stadium/

"The one constant through all the years has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that once was good, and what could be again." - James Earl Jones in Field of Dreams (1989)

g said...

Billy Jones

http://greensboroperformingarts.blogspot.com/2012/04/he-who-squeaks-loudest-gets-grift.html?showComment=1333668319578#c161391770310770055

Fec

http://fecundstench.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/saving-the-facade/

g said...

http://edcone.typepad.com/wordup/2012/04/chronicle-of-a-death-foretold.html

g said...

http://littleurbanity.blogspot.com/search?q=memorial

David Wharton

g said...

At the stadium's dedication in 1926, mayor Edwin Jeffress said, "The soldier boys said they wanted no hollow granite, no useless monument to decorate our street corners, even no statuary or brass to remind us of those who have passed along after doing life’s full duty. But they wanted something that would be useful; that would help develop mind and body; that would in this way be a perpetual memorial to those who have passed."

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katei said...

I'm so glad folk still care. It's so important.

Growing up in Greensboro meant summers running bases at war memorial. the smell of peanuts, spilled beer, and the sweet taste of pre-tween freedom running around (mostly) unattended... scrambling through the outside gates to catch fly balls.

Although the next generation will be Grasshoppers, there are so many opportunities to reacquaint new Greensboro with the lovely ol' war memorial.

It deserves the chance.

Fun Facts:

I was prolly at that game in '95... me, my mom, and the sibling went to practically every home game from essentially birth until 1997 or so. It was our most wholesome and celebrated family activity.

I have baseballs signed by the entire team from 84-90 (and a few more random signatures in later years.) My gramps, Sheepy Lamb, would always get one for each grand-kid towards the end of the season.

He played for the Patriots back in the '40s (along with Emo Showfety and co) and was in a bunch of poster-size photos displayed around the stadium during the bats' last few years.

Actually, he and my grams got married at home plate after a double-header.

Oh, and my grams' brother is Crash Craddock.

7-degrees of Greensboro history with Katei Cranford.